Jamur vs. Palisades appearance

jod788 – posted 15 June 2011 09:33

Ok half my yard is Jamur – love it. Got it delivered by chance last year, but only enough for part of the yard. Right now the Jamur is hard for me to get. Closest farm is hours away and delivery is way too much for me. I can get Palisades delivered to my home fairly easily. My question is – will these two varities look uniform? I mean will you be able to tell where one ends and the other begins? From reading, I do know the Palisades has simliar characteristics to the Jamur. I guess I’m hoping I could lay the Palisades and not really be able to tell much of a difference between it and the Jamur.

Stan – posted 27 June 2011 14:08

I have a patch of each testing them I find a world of difference in the two, but I am an architect and visually sensitive The Jamur I have is a blue green and gets pale if not watered a fertilized frequently. The Palisades is a much nicer green. It has longer straight up growth compared to the later splayed blades of Jamur. Jamur has long thick overground stolons with leaves (root sites) far apart. The runners of the Palisades stay just below the surface and leaf root sites are closer together. I really like P much better.

By the way the El Toro looks almost identical except growing faster and slightly narrow denser blades. I am torn between the two.

jod788 – posted 28 June 2011 07:05

Well, that was not exactly what I was hoping to hear, but we will see how it goes because I have the Palisades supposedly being laid sometime this week. We’ll see how it looks. I guess the only positive is that my yard has a level area and then a sloped area and the jamur covers the sloped area whereas the palisades will be up top on the flat area so maybe it will look ok with them kind of “separated”, even though it’s all the same area of the yard. If I just can’t stand the visual difference, I guess I can cut up the Jamur and move it to the backyard (where I desperately need some sod) and replace it with Palisades.

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Stan – posted 28 June 2011 10:10

I hope you will post your opinion in a month or two on both. In my opinion P is a much prettier grass but your soil conditions might give you a different result.

jod788 – posted 03 July 2011 23:00

Well…everything I read said the Jamur was a blue green and the Palisades was a slightly “brighter” green. So the Palisades is down and it, right now, appears the deeper green of the two. Put some Scotts Turfbuilder down about 2 months ago on the Jamur – soon after saw some yellowing streaks – assumed I had overlapped/overfertilized in that area. Not real sure what’s going on with the Jamur. It’s healthy grass, don’t get me wrong, it just doesn’t quite have the same deep green color as the newly laid Palisades. Kind of has a slightly lighter/lime colored green to it compared to the Palisades. Might need to get a soil test – a new thing to me.

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Stan – posted 04 July 2011 22:59

Get some nice slow release organic fertilizer such as the Espoma Organic Lawn Care one. Lowes in many areas carry the Black Hen or check a smaller feed store or hardware store for organics. The Scotts are too harsh and will burn – like giving a child Mt. Dew and Cheetos every meal.

Jamur is definitely a blueish color. It’s never gets the deep dark green nor even a happy yellow-green. I find it horrible in shade.

jod788 – posted 05 July 2011 08:46

Yeah – you can tell where the Palisades starts and the Jamur ends. I guess that’s just the way it’s going to be. Depends on the lighting, time of day, etc as to how much color difference you can pick up between the two. At times it’s not that obvious. I’m done with Scotts and the chemical stuff. I’m going to core aerate some areas and put some black kow compost down. Read about soybean meal too – might spread some of that.

jod788 – posted 06 July 2011 13:45

Would it be accurate to say that’s its too early to determine the color differences of these two grasses given that the new sod has not rooted yet? I’m thinking – ok the new sod is still rooted in only the 1 inch or so of soil under it from the sod farm and the Jamur is obviously rooted in the soil in my yard. The two soils might have many differences, thus result in more of a contrast in color between the two grasses. I hope once the new Palisades becomes rooted that it will become closer in color to the Jamur.

jugheadfla – posted 06 July 2011 14:16

quote:Originally posted by jod788:Would it be accurate to say that’s its too early to determine the color differences of these two grasses given that the new sod has not rooted yet? I’m thinking – ok the new sod is still rooted in only the 1 inch or so of soil under it from the sod farm and the Jamur is obviously rooted in the soil in my yard. The two soils might have many differences, thus result in more of a contrast in color between the two grasses. I hope once the new Palisades becomes rooted that it will become closer in color to the Jamur.

Check out the color of my rooted Jamur:

jod788 – posted 06 July 2011 14:38

My Jamur is rooted. The Palisades is not – can’t view your pics via photobucket from where I am, but will look later. I might have some deficiencies in my soil because I was under the impression that the Jamur would be a pretty deep green and the Palisades a more vibrant “bright” green. Well, I was wrong. The rooted Jamur, compared to my Palisades, is a more pale/lighter green. The Palisades is easily a deeper, darker green. I do not look at my Jamur and think blue green. I probably need to fertilize the Jamur. That might get it back to its intended green.

jod788 – posted 07 July 2011 20:47

Jughead I see your pics. Grass looks good. I’m not sure my Jamur is that deep of a green. Right now the palisades just embarrasses the Jamur in appearance. But….my jamur might not be at full potential. I’m gonna aerate and fertilize the jamur and let the palisades root some more and see if they get closer in color.

Stan – posted 07 July 2011 22:05

jod788 – Please make sure to photograph now and at the end of July and post the results. I too am wondering the potential of greening my test patch of Jamur. It has not gotten any deeper green after fertilizing. The El Toro and Palisades patches are much greener.

In the evening light I can see an almost cool green glow from the Jamur. Have you ever noticed a patch of crabrass with dew on the leaves contrasting with a greener lawn. The jamur contrasts like that to my eyes.

jod788 – posted 07 July 2011 23:28

Yes the hour or so before sunset is when you really see a contrast. I have a feeling that contrast will always be there. I’ll probably eventually rent a sod cutter and move the jamur out back and fill in with palisades to match the remainder of the front. I’ll get some pics.

jod788 – posted 10 July 2011 22:21

Stan – Let me ask you this since you have both types of grass down. Which variety do you think is more aggressive as far as spreading? What I’m getting at here is if I (once the Palisades is more established) started plugging the Palisades into the Jamur, do you think the Palisades woudl take over, or vice versa? OR would neither one show any dominance and I’d be left with half a checkered yard?

jod788 – posted 10 July 2011 22:25

By the way, my Jamur in about a years time did not spread at ALL. Zero. Right there where the Jamur ended I had pretty much bare soil that stayed watered with the rest of the yard. No sign whatsoever that the Jamur wanted to go anywhere. I guess I’m used to bermuda. I can lay a patch of Bermuda sod down and that stuff will branch out a foot in 2 months time.

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Stan – posted 11 July 2011 10:35

I noticed the Jamur sent out thick stolons many times overground if on hard soil. They do not seem to want to root. The Jamur does not seem to want to thicken up into a single mass but rather send out those runners. The El Toro is by far the fastest growing spreading but does so in a thicker and ground hugging way. The Palisades looks almost identical to ET but does not spread nearly as much.

I think the Jamur might try to send runners into the Palisades but never root well. Maybe you can get a plugger and start plugging the Jamur with Palisaades if you like it better.

socrmom11 – posted 31 October 2011 15:35

I’m new here. We are putting in some new grass as we are in Central Texas and you already know what kind of Summer we’ve had. Dry, dry and more dry. We have 2 dogs – a 7 mo. old basset and a 9 mo. old weimaraner. They love to play in the yard but the drought has left us with a dust bowl for a backyard. We planted a few plugs of Palisades Zoysia just to see if it takes off and see how it does. If it does we’ll start buying pallets to fill in. Someone asked about checkerboarding the PZ. We asked this same question at our grass supplier. They said because it grows so painfully slow this method is not recommended. The present soil is rock hard so I am wondering do we need to try to turn this soil before planting our PZ? Or, because of it’s shallow root system will adding a bit of compost and soil be enough to get it going? Also, we do have some weeds. Do we need to kill them off before planting or will the PZ run it out?

Thanks!

RealGreen5 – posted 03 November 2011 18:00

Round Up the weeds and till the soil to get the best results from your efforts. Your soil preparation is critical to your success. I am in Central Texas as well and these clay soils get so compacted they are like trying to grow grass in concrete. It is a little more work initially but it really pays off. Compost and peat moss are great additions to the soil as well when preparing for sodding or seeding. Good Luck with your lawn

jugheadfla – posted 04 November 2011 07:20

quote:Originally posted by socrmom11:I’m new here. We are putting in some new grass as we are in Central Texas and you already know what kind of Summer we’ve had. Dry, dry and more dry. We have 2 dogs – a 7 mo. old basset and a 9 mo. old weimaraner. They love to play in the yard but the drought has left us with a dust bowl for a backyard. We planted a few plugs of Palisades Zoysia just to see if it takes off and see how it does. If it does we’ll start buying pallets to fill in. Someone asked about checkerboarding the PZ. We asked this same question at our grass supplier. They said because it grows so painfully slow this method is not recommended. The present soil is rock hard so I am wondering do we need to try to turn this soil before planting our PZ? Or, because of it’s shallow root system will adding a bit of compost and soil be enough to get it going? Also, we do have some weeds. Do we need to kill them off before planting or will the PZ run it out?

Thanks!

I agree with RealGreen5, definately mix in some peat and compost before laying the sod.

Stan – posted 04 November 2011 12:29

I would not skimp on the soil preparation by making sure to put enough compost in and tilling well. This will allow microbial life and moisture to be retained. I plugged out El Toro in NC with a plug cutter sold on amazon. I set it in rows one foot apart and staggered the plugs in an odd even fashion. They took well and almost touched over the summer. I did not get them out until June. If you prepared you soil and got them in the ground after spring frosts then it would be good.

Cutting the plugs from roll is a lot of hard work as it takes kicking the cutter with your foot each time. It is like an assembly line. The advantage is that one roll will cover a larger area thereby reducing costs.